Carnal Souls has dropped Gedan from the project, and with that, I’m pulling my support for the project. Without Gedan being involved, I’m not very confident that it’ll ever come to fruition. You are welcome to continue to support it if you like, but you can cancel your pledge if you’re as disappointed as I am.
I had some much “saltier” posts up here earlier in the morning, but I’ve dialed back my outrage significantly since then. I’m still super disappointed to have endorsed something wholeheartedly and had the reason from endorsement removed from it. I don’t really care for feeling like I’m being made into a liar.
(Authors note: Sorry for any confusion my earlier post might have made.)
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Well somebody is salty
Fuck yes I am. I wanted this game to exist.
Who says it won’t be? just cause they replaced some guy with some other guy don’t mean nothin. Well sure, he had experience, but the game’s not made on unreal engine 4, they’ll get it done
I would be pleasantly surprised if that were the case, but my plug for the game was largely based on my trust of Gedan’s ethic. With him gone, I feel pretty goddamned used.
Well, didn’t he draw a pic for you or something in exchange for that plug?
He was going to. Doubt that’s happening now – and honestly, I wouldn’t want it to. :/
Well that’s gosh-darn not right! He has the absolute freedom to do whatever he wants with his dev team, but not fullfilling a promise is fucking disgusting. Even though you’re a total prick for constantly banning me, and “HACK FRAUD” JOKE IS FUNNY IF YOU KNOW THE CONTEXT! ТВАРЬ!
He also is apologizing for what he’s done to you,
https://www.carnalsouls.com/staff-changes/
Just thought it’d be good for you to know the facts
I read it. I just thought it would be better to let the issue drop than keep talking about it.
This blows. Talk about being cast aside… I love Gedan’s work, and my faith remains in Fenoxo and co. They’ve done goofed sticking it to you guys like that. Their support is going to be lacking now.
But something I see in them is…look at there website, then at this one. It’s kinda like there twins, he seems to have alot of respect for this team and I hope both can soon come to peace
Well fuck.
I agree that is a horrible thing to do. The reason I backed it was because I headed that Gedan the god of code would be helping.
On another note how do you cancel pledges on their site I cant find a link. Thanks.
No idea, I hadn’t pledged quite yet.
If you pledged through indiegogo you should be able to just log onto your account and go to the my contributions tab on your account and then click on the contribution you made to Carnal Souls. In the details there should be a button that says refund, and if the refund request goes through it will notify you with a message and the details will say it was refunded.
Thank you.
Go to your orders in the indiegogo site, and assuming you’ve verified your email, you can go down to your contributions and refund your money
That sucks. On a slightly brighter note, that means he’ll have more free time for TiTs.
The thing that annoys me about this they did advertise that Gedan would be on the project and that made me really excited because from what I have seen his work is amazing. But what else annoys me is that the page still says that they have Gedan on board and one of the goals is to find help for Gedan. They haven’t made any statement on it and it makes me question their reliability. So pledge cancelled thanks for the update on it Fen.
Good grief. This happened hours ago. It’s not like they’ve left misinformation up for weeks. I’m sure they plan to make an update and answer questions. For Fenoxo to be railing about how shitty this is, he didn’t exactly take the high road by making a call for people to cancel pledges before the campaign posted an update to explain this decision.
Also, the campaign’s location is listed as the UK. Fen’s “this morning” is somewhere between middle of the day and dinner time for the campaign organizers. It’s your money, so you’re entitled to do whatever you please. Cooler heads would say cut the campaign organizers some slack and give them a day or so to post an update before reacting. The campaign lasts another two weeks, so it’s not like people won’t have plenty of time to consider the impact of this decision before their money is committed.
To dissent if a person cannot work full time then they cannot be paid full time. That’s fact. If the developer needs a full time worker then they cannot hire a part time worker. Though obviously either Gedan or Bunji miscommunicated about his(gedan’s) time availability (otherwise why start a fund me specifically to hire him) Practically, it makes sense. I’d like to know more about how this all went down in terms of communication from Gedan to Bunji
That’s terrible. I hope Gedan isn’t to upset.
I think I’m madder than he is.
Well what if the concerns about his limited time were legit? TiTS takes a lot of work right? Still, not paying someone for the work they’ve done is a dick move.
I’m told he will still be paid, but we’ll see.
I am sorry to hear that. At least Gedan will have more time for the other commitments.
A pity, the project looked interesting.
THIS.SERIOUSLY.SUCKS I was so for this game,now it’s future looks a bit sketchy.Not saying it’s doomed but a lot of people came from Fen’s side and not that he said THIS I bet a fair chunk of people will pull out supporting this game. damn
Also Gedan SHOULD BE PAID for services rendered! Wtf Benji?
Benji is saying he will.
Well, I was going to pledge $100 to Carnal Souls. I won’t be doing so now.
It’s pretty nasty to fire someone before they’ve even gotten paid, particularly when that person has already spent time and their own personal money on the project.
In fact, reading on their website, he had already been working on coding the game when they “fired” him with no pay.
Well we don’t know for sure if he’ll get pay for what he’s done. Still a shit move.
Perhaps your blog post should not insinuate that payments owed are being withheld until you’ve confirmed that to be true.
I never did understand how you can do a fund raiser campaign to hire someone who is employed full time working on another game already.
Because Gedan is a fucking machine and has generally worked three jobs at once. I kid you not.
I hope they remove all mention of Gedan being associated with their project soon. Right now the page still says that Gedan will be the main programmer. At least be honest about who is actually making the game now.
That’s pretty fucking thin for them to do that. Really fucking thin. “Salty” my ass, I’d be pretty pissed too. Dropping Gedan like that was a dick move. Sadly, it doesn’t surprise me that people can be like that on a frighteningly common basis.
sadness
I don’t think it was a dick move, I think it was a seriously dumb one. Gedan was supposed to be the lead.
I wonder if Carnal Souls will become like Breeding Season…
But Fen, please calm down a bit. We don’t want to see you getting into bother. 🙂
By the way, what pronouns does Gedan go by? Fenoxo uses he/him, but that Carnal Souls website uses she/her. I’m kinda confused here.
Gedan is trans but still sounds like a guy when we talk, and I’m shitty CIS scum that can’t help but default to male pronouns.
As someone who is trans, it actually makes me sad to hear you say you’re ok with just misgendering her all the time 🙁
Never said I was proud of it, and I’ll admit it’s kind of shitty. But my girlfriend is a transgirl, and I have tons of transgirl friends. I assure you, when I screw up like that, it isn’t being malicious.
Son, you’re talking to an internet God that made not one, but TWO(!!1!1!) games that deliver insane ammounts of trans content and that overall trans friendly.
I think he’s earned a bit of slack regarding such a ridiculous subject.
I wish futas were real
+1
I made a trans friend over xbox live a month ago I think she was really nice and for some reason thought I was nice enough to tell me after three days she was a he it shocked me but I thought it was cool since she was the first trans I ever got to meet or at least the first I know to be trans I should just stop talking before I look like an idiot because I still don’t know much
First, learn to notice sarcasm.
Second, there’s no shame in being born as male or female, so there’s nothing insulting about the words “he” or “she”.
If someone gets that deeply upset by a slip of the tongue, they have bigger problems than what pronouns other people are using.
Third, learn to use punctuation. On a side note, is Gedan pre or post-op? I personally have no problem with people who are trans, I’m just curious and not trying to be rude or offensive.
Is Breeding Season something else that failed?
Nah, that game is actually up and running really nicely.
It’s just that early this year the project went through a direction turmoil of sorts where the devs (rightfuly IMO) decided to pretty much restart the project with much better art, animation, gameplay and story. The problem was that a minority of people felt that the money they’d already spent supporting the project was down the drain.
Honestly, the game is in excellent shape and I’m really liking what I’m seeing in terms of progress
I think I’ll check it out then.
They went from right to left:
http://41.media.tumblr.com/3adf79a3b9b3eef9919be94eb3f3ef80/tumblr_nujopcHucy1sb49q1o1_1280.png
Pretty much started as monster girls, then to furry, now to just bestiality. I have no idea what the fuck they are thinking…
Leftmost looks like a more dynamic pose of middle. I don’t see beast there, but I wouldn’t doubt that they might have some beast stuff.
I preferred if they didn’t add shota/loli stuff in it.
I don’t give a fuck as long as they don’t touch my elves… wait did they?
You do realize that these are concepts? The game will soon have both monster girls/guys (human like) and ferals (beasts), depending on your preferences. So yeah, Breeding Season is humming along like oiled machine.
The one in the middle is literally the exact same thing as the one on the right except the one on the right except for cleaned up art and shading. Clearly you haven’t been with breeding season long because if you did you’d know that the ferals are OPTIONAL content. And they always will be. If you don’t like it, you can disable it. They are not forcing it down your throat because they are not the base game catgirls. They are FERAL catgirls and have to be unlocked. It doesn’t replace the monstergirl catgirls in the game.
Middle is the same as the left, scuse me
Not sure how i mixed up my rights and my lefts like that :/
I wouldn’t say failed, but they were moving glacially slow and constantly taking 2 steps forward, 3 steps back in regards to content and art and all that last I checked. It was looking like every update actually disabled more animations lol. Despite them making nearly $40,000 a month.
Said glacially slow progress is the reason they’ll never get higher than a $1 pledge from me.
Sounds very much like they may have screwed the pooch. Nothing to do now but to watch and see if they can manage or if they made a fatal mistake for their game.
I knew it was too good to be true.
I’d wait for their explanation and revised plans before jumping off-ship and cancelling your support. Let’s just get the whole story before crippling them?
Agreed. Personally, I figure they were just worried about overloading the poor guy, and so made the decision to cut him from the team. But, yeah, definitely wait for a statement of some kind.
I spoke with Benji this afternoon, and he made it sound like the main reason he did it was because it was creating strain between the teams, but there’s no strain that I’m aware of on this end, and Gedan never voiced a peep of discontent to me.
Agreed. I understand that Fen is angry because Gedan is more than a programmer to him, but his friend.
But here’s where we need to see both sides of the story besides just one. Nothing good comes from only looking at one side of a coin.
Most of my anger was because I was inadvertently made into a liar. I advertised CS under the assumption that a tried and true programmer with experience in the field, one whose work ethic I can vouch for personally, was involved in the project.
Without that, I’m being far more cautious.
You weren’t made into a liar – what you said WAS true at the time, and you couldn’t know what was going to happen.
Wal-Mart Tactics? Is that you?
Is it bad that I still kinda hope that it’ll turn out to be a good game in the end? (No offense to Fen or Gedan)
I too hope for this, actually.
Then pull your support, but dont pull your hope for a better future of the adult games.
he didnt tho :0
I’m going to wait to hear from the developer. For all I/we know they might be dropping Gedan as they believe they might not make the required 68,000 to hire them. I mean they haven’t even reached their first milestone yet.
Or maybe Gedan had done/said something that pissed off the developers. Or maybe There work ethics didn’t match? Or maybe timmy fell down a well?
I’m not trying to sound like a douchebag or anything but without context making a knee-jerk reaction is never good, it can possibly (and mostly always) makes the situation worse than it actually is.
Pretty sure 68,000 was to hire a second coder.
woops my mistake 😛
Wow… Well. I’m not gonna pull the 20 bucks I put in, but I’m sure as hell not giving them the extra 40 I was planning on. This all seems really low down. I’m getting more cautious with my donations on indiegogo and kickstarter now because stuff like this happens. Peeps getting dropped from projects, art styles changing, second projects being made before the first is even delivered… -_- The only projects I’ve funded where the designer hasn’t pissed me off or made me regret my funding and purchase are TiTS and The Miskatonic Academy. I’m 2 for 8… -_- Ah well. I’m sorry Gedan lost work and I hope Benji gets to esplainin’ something fierce in the next 24 hours or so.
On the upside, those two projects never would’ve happened without people backing. It’s a gamble for sure, but sometimes it pays off.
I am not glad I put off the decision too. May or may not still pledge, but it won’t be more than backer status for sure after this, don’t feel confident enough about it to risk more.
As a completely uninformed third-party, I believe I am qualified to offer accurate and irrefutable reasoning regarding this situation.
Fennelsticks pls
The wording for Gedan’s removal was kind of vague. Was he removed from the project, or did he resign? Because “concerns about not having enough time with all of his other commitments” makes it sound like the latter. I’m going to assume the first option though, because you probably wouldn’t be so mad otherwise.
Yes, cutting someone from a project where they’ve contributed without compensation is an objectively bad thing to do. They get no points; not even for stating that they will pay Gedan, because I.O.U’s were a bad idea before they were made.
Yes, cutting someone from a project where they’ve got the most extensive experience of almost any potential hire is not a smart thing to do. They get no points, because there’s a very strong argument to be made for Gedan’s presence in an undertaking like this.
By all means, give credit where it’s due, poke at their fuck ups. But keep in mind, this a very niche market that you people are working in. As far as I’m aware, you’ve had a monopoly on this kind of content since I was a freshman in high school. You’ve got a lot of pull with the crowds that like these games, myself included. So much so that I almost made my first post on one of your blogs an angry, head-nodding one.
But you’re not only (understandably, in this case) pulling your endorsement from a like-minded project, you’re actively encouraging others to pull their funding as well? That’s really damaging, especially in a profession where almost every artist knows every other artist, where word-of-mouth goes quick because the pool of consumers supporting that content is so small, where there’s not a huge diversity of said content to begin with. Again, by all means, speak your mind, but discouraging others like this negatively affects everyone who appreciates this stuff.
That said, I hope Gedan receives what he’s owed, and that things remain as amiable as they can.
I dialed back my rage a bit already, but I’ve been burned pretty hard already.
Seems like it’s a bit premature for people to start swift-boating the Carnal Souls campaign. So long as Geden gets compensated for what he’s done already and the advertising is updated accordingly (saying that Geden will be lead programmer), my support will remain with the project.
Think about it people. The campaign is still ongoing, meaning that refunds are still possible. Committing malicious fraud isn’t the smartest move while you’re depending on the goodwill of others for your funding.
Let’s wait until we have all the facts before we start sharpening the pitchforks. If possible, I’d like to make a decision based on statements from both Benji and Geden rather than just Fen’s outrage on Geden’s behalf.
The new programmer’s name has been put where Geden’s was on the indiegogo campaign, and Benji has made a statement https://www.carnalsouls.com/staff-changes/. I don’t know anything other then that.
Well, I’m not gonna pull my funding, but hell if I’m upping it like I was planning to. I hope it still succeeds and gets made, but the main reason I backed it was because Gedan was on it, and I’ve seen her skill at coding from TiTs and CoC.
Wow such a shame and I just saw a article about it on lewdgamer. Hey more Geden for TiTs which is a good thing, but this sounds terrible to what has happened with this and how or who has done things. Wonder will Geden say what has happened or is this best been not talked about? Hope Geden is ok.
Benji posted an update on the blog regarding this situation and his post sounds very reasonable. Surely Gedan isn’t the only good coder out there, so maybe this change will be for the best in the end. I’ll see how the new hire fares before withdrawing support, there’s still time.
Everything seems fine to me. I get that Gedan was an important part of Fen’s backing it, but it seems like with this change that TiTS and Carnal Souls will be better for it. The replacement they got sounds rather experienced and a good substitute. I’ll be keeping my backer status for now.
Yup.
https://www.carnalsouls.com/staff-changes/
Seems like a simple case of mistaking Gedan’s availability and wanting a full-time coder instead.
The reason why Gedan was dropped is somewhat reasonable, but there’s very little to go on as to the skill of that Crimson guy.
That makes me more worried for the future of the project.
If this burns and turns to yet another shambling corpse amongst hundreds of others, we’ll know who to blame.
Your anger is quite understandable, fen, but i Benji didn’t do it to be a dick or anything. He simply saw a possible issue and made a decision. Whether or not it was the right one, only time will tell. I sincerely hope this incident doesn’t cause you to hate Benji forever, because that would be quite the shame.
https://www.carnalsouls.com/staff-changes/
I can understand the anger in a situation such as this one because I’ve had an encounter with a somewhat similar experience. Still no matter the situation or the reason for it happening its never a fun day just like a hit below the belt. All I can say really is to just walk away and go about your day and try and forget it.
So his reason is pretty much that Gedan is already working on other things, namely TiTS? Or what?
Fen, I can understand that you’re pissed, but seriously? You posted this before they could even give a reason as to why. Listen to people’s reasons before exploding in their face like this. It may have been a bit shitty to drop the reason you were advertising them like that, but they did the way less shitty thing by announcing it now, when they made the decision, than latter when they’d reaped the rewards for lying. It seems like they had decent reasons for this, maybe not reasons that make you happy, but still.
I got clued in pretty well about what was happen. I’ve heard Geddy’s account and seen chatlogs from Benji. My opinions remain unchanged.
That was unexpectedly fast… And disappointing.
Who cares
Anyone who was planning on funding them? Please tell me this was a question in rhetoric.
I think you mean rhetorical.
I gave em muns and I don’t really care about their dev tеам
Fen don’t be too hard on the guy he love you and geden’s work as much as we your fans do he probably has a good reason to drop her but i digress geden is still getting paid for the work she has done so…..im not that good at stuff like this
From what I’m reading he just wants the person being paid to work on coding the game full time to actually be able to work full time which should be a boon if anything. If you really still want the game to exist the best thing you can do is support it.
The problem is that Gedan is well-known, and Carnal Souls was using his name specifically. I imagine it would be like someone saying “you know this guy, you know he does good work, he is going to do the work on my new project, support me”, then after you support him, he says “well, I changed my mind, and I am going to go with someone you have never heard of”.
Not to say that the game will be bad, but you lose the reassurance of knowing the quality of work the person has performed in the past.
Imagine Matt Damon was advertised as the big star in a new movie, but he was the only one whose name you recognized. You then heard that the producer released a statement that Damon would not be in the movie at all. You no longer know anyone involved with the movie. You would still consider seeing it when it came out, but if the producer came by and asked for your financial support while the movie was still in preproduction, how would you feel?
Also, I do not know the full situation, but I would have to think that Gedan’s time situation was no secret to anyone involved. Unless something significant changed related to his availability, it just seems short-sighted. ESPECIALLY since Fenoxo had just recently endorsed the project. If Benji knew there was a chance that he might not be able to go with Gedan, and did not tell Fenoxo, it just looks shady. If Benji did not know until just recently, it seems like maybe there would have been a better way of handling it.
As it is, it is very easy to think that Benji knew he would not be able to go with Gedan, still got Fen’s endorsement, waited a bit, then dropped Gedan. Alternatively Benji might have just recently decided, talked it over with Gedan, who then told Fen, who got mad and posted about it. Not to say that Benji was concerned wholly and only about Fen’s endorsement, but Fen (as a brand and a focus of this part of the community) having endorsed it LESS than two weeks ago makes me wonder about the timing.
Also, quoting Fen’s endorsement “That’s what most of the money they’re raising is for – to hire Gedan.”
It seems unlikely to me that it was a bait and switch. Benji at least sounds like he has a lot of respect for the TiTs team and as such having Gedan working on his game was probably an exciting prospect. But perhaps after testing the waters it was proving unfeasible.
It seems a bit egotistical, though, to go off about how without Gedan this project will never exist and Gedan is the only person right for it. It’s not a knockoff of TiTs or CoC, it’s its own damn game and it doesn’t need Fenoxo and friends’ guiding hand to flourish. There’s something fundamentally contradictory about “I can’t support this game because without my buddy’s help it won’t exist” – if you really want it to exist the worst possible thing you can do is try and convince people to withdraw their funding and support.
I think Fen’s statement, “Without Gedan being involved, I’m not very confident that it’ll ever come to fruition” has more to say about Fen’s general concern about people with great ideas never actually getting a finished product out. Many things like this come and go, and very few stick around. Having someone known to follow through helps people have faith.
In his first post about Carnal Souls, he said “With all that said, I really hope this game escapes the Fenoxo curse – you know, the one where I plug a game and then it collapses into a puddle of broken promises and shattered dreams.”
I think he is speaking from some disappointment, previous experience, and general feeling of betrayal. Again, just guessing. I do think that if he had plugged the game, THEN found out who was on the team, then that person left the team, he would not have made a big deal about it. Likewise, I *think* that even if it was not Gedan, but someone else who Fen had the same high level of confidence about, he would have felt the same.
I think one of Fen’s problems here (and this might feed into the egotistical part, although I am not sure that “ego” is the right word) is that he/TiTS has the budget, and TiTS is a big enough project to ensure job security. if he finds someone who is good at what they do, he does everything he can to get them on board and working with/for him. I do not think he consciously sees himself as an undisputed ruler over all the talent ever, but subconsciously he probably has a much higher view of his people.
I totally understand about these big ambitious projects never happening – I know so well that things never seem to pan out with good erotic flash games. But, then again, most of them don’t get tens of thousands of dollars in funding and full-time attention: most of them fall prey, rather, to a lack of motivation and job struggles. That’s why I’m so confused by Fen saying he’s upset because he wants this to happen and simultaneously encouraging people to withdraw funding. It seems to me like he’s more concerned about Gedan being on the payroll or something, because he’s actively trying to sabotage the campaign.
So it seems the creator has posted a message on their games website (https://www.carnalsouls.com/staff-changes/) giving some of their reasons and such for why they dropped Gedan from the project, only noting this since a few people wonder if the creator was aware.
Why would you shoot yourself in the foot like that?
Be aware of the assets you take into your business and their associates – if negative press can be generated by cutting a member related to the support of your product, you DON’T do it without a good fucking bit of insurance.
Fucking idiots. Regardless or not if Gedan was in the wrong or otherwise, the dev team has shown their incompetence by not knowing how to play the politics of the system, at the LEAST.
Not to sound callous or anything.
they probably went about making the decision, but ultimately only the future can tell if it was a bad decision or not. if this project goes in the gutter, it would must certainly be a mistake, but that hasn’t happened yet, so i’d still keep an eye on it.
tbh i don’t really care about this Gedan person this much, but i can fathom the general ire towards this decision because Gedan seems to have some vocal supporters (asides from Fen.)
maybe this choice was made for the better and there were legitimate reasons for it but only time will ever dictate if it was a good decision or not.
yikes, shots fired, shame they’re dropping Gedan from the project, I did pledge based on Fen’s endorsement but don’t blame fen in any way cuz when he did endorse the info was accurate, but as long as my male character can get banged by futas-imeanaslongasthegamegetsmadei’llbehappy >_>
I appreciate how the apology post is a hell of a lot more pointed to Fen then Gedan. Not really at Gedan at all, lel.
Which makes sense since Fen has *publicly* shown how disappointed he is. Might as well make the apology to him public also.
Whatever Benji has to say to Gedan can be said in private.
Fenoxo’s childish behavior reveals much more about himself than the future of Carnal Souls. The idea that there’s only one person on earth capable of coding for a text game is ridiculous.
I think his reaction as a friend of Geden’s is understandable.
As a developer and business owner? Yeah, he should have played this much more coolly. Retracting his endorsement is entirely his decision, but he did in such a way that was more damaging to the Carnal Souls project than it needed to be.
This whole exchange makes me think more badly of Fen than anyone else. With as much influence as he has in this area of the gaming community, I would have expected more tact.
Please, if you had seen as many promising games explode as I have, you’d understand my point of view.
You’re the one blowing this one up. You’re actively bashing the game and encouraging people to de-fund it. If you really want it to succeed like you say you do stop trying to convince people it’s a lost cause.
Exactly. Fen is saying he hopes it the best while doing everything in his power to torpedo it. It’s sad.
Trust me, if I truly wanted to torpedo it, you’d be seeing a much longer post.
fuckin sucks. gedan is awesome and I’m sad they dropped her like this
Honestly it doesn’t matter to me who is the programmer as long as they can do a good job. I know Gedan does great things and would have been a very good lead programmer but judging by what has been said about Crimson thus far and how inspired Benji is I am confident the game will come to fruition… eventually.
That being said I would also like to thank you Fenoxo. I have been a backer for quite some time now and frequent this blog (mind you i don’t post often) but if you hadn’t advertised the game on your blog (for the short time it was advertised) I probably never would have found the Indiegogo campaign. Even if you feel betrayed or exploited by the change in staff I, a dedicated supporter of your work am grateful that you gave me the opportunity to support something that could possibly become as great as TiTs.
It may not be my place to say but as a fan I know that you are no liar and hold true to your word and I am sure all your other supporters feel the same way. I just hope that any hard feeling can be let go and that both Carnal Souls and TiTs can prosper form any decisions that have been made. Thank you for reading and good luck in the future.
So, now that time has passed and things have simmered down a bit(hopefully), how do you feel about this whole situation now? I had only just discovered this on the 15th of this month, and was fully planning on dropping a hundred dollars or so to back this once I got paid on the 18th, but this came as a shock to me.
I still want to contribute, and still want this game to happen, but…I don’t know.
Base your decision on the merits of the Carnal Souls. There are a few streams to look at on their blogs, and the art Benji has revealed so far is top notch. This project is atypical in how polished its campaign is, and I think that is a sign of good things to come 🙂
I was pretty worried with the staff changes, but crimson’s introduction put me at ease. The guy seems to know his stuff.
Full disclosure, I threw money at the project, so my driving hype is at least partially driven by the fact that I don’t want my investment to be a waste. That said, I think this has a really good chance of getting off the ground.
I read his introduction too. Here’s hoping he does good. I guess I’ll back it and see what happens. It certainly wouldn’t be the worst hundred I’ve spent.
Oh noooo, poor you, put in a position where you have supported something that DOESN’T have a friend of yours working on it. If the only reason you ever supported the game was not because of the content or the style but because your favorite programmer was doing some of the work, then you shouldn’t be feeling dishonest for having told people to support it now that he’s gone. You should feel dishonest for having told people to invest their money in something for reasons unrelated to the thing itself in the first place.
Fen’s said that it is related to the thing itself, because he knows Gedan and trusts her work ethic to have the game actually be made, as opposed to a random internet person whose work ethic he knows nothing about, reducing his confidence in the game actually happening, given how many projects he’s seen go under due to people abandoning it.
I’d really just like to hear Gedan’s take on the whole situation. If she’s upset about it, that makes Fen’s behavior more coherent. But if she actually was totally okay with how things shook out, then this salt seems like needless bad blood.
It’s a bit sad that they ever tried having Gedan without first dealing with any issues, but I do think it’s big of Benji to do this now and not later. If there was no way to have Gedan work out, it’s so much better for the end product to make this change as soon as possible. I think Benji made the best of what felt like a raw deal.
I just want to know whether Gedan’s okay with the new state of affairs.
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I’m disappointed in the drama that’s happened because of this, but I understand Fen’s caution. I hate the indie scene with Patreon and indiegogo. It’s so difficult to find good developers and it sucks when you see something you endorse fail. Little by little it just chips away at you until you don’t even care about support unless you know and see the consistency of the developer. Bottom line is: these people are new to the indie scene, and don’t a big project like Fen and Gedan does to back them up. I don’t take risks often, but I want to see this game. So I’m going keep my money there.
Nobody expected Fen & co to “back them up”, but I do think a lot of us are surprised by how hilariously angry he got. It was unprofessional and childish. Benji is sitting on ~34K and it’s his job to turn that into a game. He didn’t (as far as we know) turn around and tell Gedan to fuck off because he has teh moneyz now and can no longer mingle with plebeians like her, guy let her go because he thought it was the best thing to do for his game. Time will tell whether or not it was a good call, but it doesn’t make him literally worse than Hitler.
I’m sure Fen knows how much pull he has in the community. He should also have known better than to karate chop them in the jugular before the campaign is even over. All he had to do was make a post saying Gedan isn’t working on it and as such he doesn’t feel comfortable promoting it. That’s it. That’s all.
Honestly, the whole situation was pretty shitty. Yes, I should’ve been a bit more reserved in my initial post. There’s a lot more I would like to say on this topic but at this point, I’m just going wash my hands of this whole affair. I’ve said my piece, and I hope Benji and his new coder can actually deliver what they promised, but I’m a long way from expecting to see it.
I think you misunderstood what I said when I said “back them up.” I missed a word there. I meant there is no history for us to see Banji’s consistency with finished projects or continued work, unlike Fenoxo’s work and history, which we’ve had for a good long time.
Just wanted to clarify that.
Benji had a successful campaign for an artbook known as the big book of BNG. Said book’s campaign is linked on the indigogo page for carnal souls. Had to do a bit of looking but its currently being sold here: http://furplanet.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=832 as well as on couple of other websites. Benji is also an artist that accepts commissions and as far as I’ve seen so far he’s fairly reliable when it comes to someone else’s money. Furthermore if you have doubts you can always check out the streams. They’re making good progress.